Continue Lock down
Don’t be pressured into lifting restrictions until this thing has been beaten and we are sure that we are safe.
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Getting business back on it’s feet and dying of the virus in the process is a poor decision. Be patient and get it right for the long term.
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Posted by DRoo May 05, 2020 at 14:07
The Scottish Government has to stop hiding behind statistics which are from a limited sample. They need to test more and do this quickly.
They then need to timetable the move to easement.
If we don't have a strong economy we don't have the money to make the NHS more resilient.
In the long term we will be more vulnerable without the resources needed.
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Posted by doccy May 05, 2020 at 14:29
Sorry - we need to raise the lockdown, even if R does go above 1. We can't keep going like this for the next 2 years.
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Posted by Haffer May 05, 2020 at 14:36
Take the care home deaths out of the R number data and it will drop significantly.
We’ve trusted the ‘science’ to much and have spent millions on standby hospitals etc that didn’t need to be spent.
Time to at least ease the restrictions
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Posted by DMacDonald May 05, 2020 at 15:46
Scottish people have on the whole, done a great job of adhering to the restrictions and looking after each other. 6 weeks is a very long time (particularly with small children around!) so would ask them to give the people something back, even if it's just some very small changes. Hope is a very powerful thing and will make the public feel like they're actually making a difference and will get on board more. Give a little to get a little please :-)
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We need to have a method which protects everyone and damages no-one.
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Posted by Julief May 06, 2020 at 08:37
I would be interested to know how the government are measuring the non covid related deaths as a result of lockdown and how these compare to covid deaths.
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Posted by borisj May 06, 2020 at 11:28
Our lockdown was not thorough enough, leaving lots of potential carriers in the community in positions of mobility.
The Message was not clear enough with construction and manufacturing continuing in England but stopping in Scotland (for the most part)
We need a clear message that until Scotland's infection rate (number of new daily cases) is on a steep downward trend (it's currently flat so the virus is fpassing from one infected person to another victim every day) we should either strengthen, or lengthen our lockdown.
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Posted by Lornab May 06, 2020 at 11:49
What we should look at is where we can prevent more deaths - care homes would be a great place to start and hospitals where non covid19 patients are currently living
From a communication perspective, if you keep saying the same thing, in the same way for long enough people stop listening. Perhaps the time has come to update your messages in a way which will engage with the population of Scotland - you can still make the key points just in a different way
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Posted by Rabg May 06, 2020 at 11:58
The lockdown should be extended till the end of June, so that the ‘R’ value has the best chance to come down, therefore reducing the risk of any further lockdowns in the future. If we reduce measures then before then people will naturally become more relaxed about the measures in place and the risk of further lockdowns would be inevitable. If the ‘R’ value is brought down to 0.1 or lower then it would be fair to say that we have beaten this, any higher would risk further infection and further lockdown.
If we start to ease lockdown at the end of May then we are half heartedly beating this and not giving everybody the best chance to come out of this and resume normal life quicker.
Short term pain for long term gain.
If we lockdown till end of June then and the ‘R’ value is down at 0.1 or lower then we can basically resume normal life instead of prolonged agony of semi lockdown, social distancing for the rest of the year! For an extra 4-5 weeks of full lockdown is better than having another 5-6 months of a semi life that’s actually just rubbish. Children not getting the education they deserve because they are not at school as they should be, work places like the hospitality industries not being able to operate as they should.
If we come out of lockdown end of May in stages we are just prolonging the agony of not being able to go to the pub, restaurant, work place, playing football with your friends or playing any sport with your friends.
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This idea is important because it’s the simplest and most effective way to beat this situation. Common sense should prevail and rushing back would in the long run just extend this period instead of beating this period and returning to a normal life.
If we didn’t do this it would be like getting a prescription for antibiotics from your doctor and only taking half the course prescribed instead of the full course. The chance that you’ll be back at the doctors for another course of antibiotics would be inevitable. Just think about it!!!
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Posted by LauraAR May 06, 2020 at 14:19
The economy will be much worse off if lockdown is lifted too soon, deaths rocket and a second lockdown is needed. We need to try and squash the virus as much as possible now and the more we do the sooner life is back to normal.
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Posted by Foxysas May 06, 2020 at 19:20
We should have had border closure, check points and allowed out once for shopping. Lock down should have been monitored properly not just suggesting stay at home.
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Posted by Lstewart May 06, 2020 at 19:47
It's unfair for 100% of the population to be living like this when the virus is statistically known to impact mainly elderly or Ill people.
People are losing their jobs, with nothing else job wise on the horizon, people are struggling with mental health and struggling jugging the impossible combination of "working from home" while looking after a child.
Shield the elderly and vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with living
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Posted by LCam06 May 06, 2020 at 21:09
Allow people to make the decisions about how they want to live their lives. We could be waiting years (IF) for a vaccine to be made available by which point poverty and poor mental health will be the things killing people, not a virus.
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Posted by Halina May 06, 2020 at 21:57
Yes to an exit strategy but definitely no to exiting just now. If people can't follow the "rules" now we what are they going to do if restrictions are eased. This has all been stressful enough without having to faces second wave.
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Posted by Arete May 07, 2020 at 03:11
Don't give in to the minority who have other priorities, and seem content for sacrifices to be made in the confident expectation that it will be someone else less fortunate who has to make them. We have had enough of that kind of thinking during the previous decade.
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Posted by May2020 May 07, 2020 at 08:16
The lockdown is not strict enough, and must continue until we understand this virus more.
The economy is something we as people invented, we are smart enough to come up with a solution to keep people safe and change the way we do business.
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Posted by DebbieD May 07, 2020 at 09:24
Easing lockdown must put lives first
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Posted by jnoble May 07, 2020 at 15:21
So far we have had 3 deaths per 10,000 people in Scotland.
The vast majority of those sadly succumbing to covid have short life expectancies and perhaps also poor quality of life. I'm in the older age group and would have no issues with my life being shortened a bit if I caught it - one less mouth for the overpopulated planet to feed.
Relax the lockdown and let those who wish to continue to isolate and are at risk do so and be supported.
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Posted by Boss16 May 08, 2020 at 08:08
Well that is if you want most of the current working population of the UK to be unemployed and then who's going to pay for the NHS then!?
Who do you actually think is going to pay for all of this support that has been given out through the HMRC job retention scheme, grant funding etc etc? I will tell you who it will be... the current taxpayers who are now also paying for the current state pensions being paid out, and then have also been pushed into these auto enrolment schemes to pay for our own pensions when we retire. So basically we are paying for the failings of previous governments and will be expected to do so again..
There is no cure or vaccination as yet so live with and manage is the only way. We cannot sit any longer is this state of economic suspension or there will be no return
RIDICULOUS idea!!
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Posted by Fredbearwizard May 08, 2020 at 10:15
let everyone out if you want more blood on your hands
I DONT SO STAY HOME!
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Posted by Outis May 08, 2020 at 11:06
But prevention cannot be hiding away indefinitely.
Life needs to go on. Children need to go back to school, people need to go back to work and humans do need social interaction.
With every day longer in the current situation, we are creating massive issues for all aspects of life in the future and we will be sure to regret not being a bit more 'daring' now.
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Posted by Dave_H May 08, 2020 at 11:49
It is a fact that people are getting frustrated at being locked up at home, while we can all think of outdoor activities we can do away from others with no risk but are currently banned.
If the lockdown remains too restrictive for too long I fear it will be disregarded and people will break it. there is some sign of that happening already.
I fully agree that a LOT of things that involve contact with many people should remain restricted for some time, but people need to see some real signs of the lockdown being eased to allow some freedom to do things that are no or very low risk.
You say you want a grown up discussion about this. Listen to all the calls for some easing of what you can do in your leisure time without risk. Treat the people like grown ups and give them a little more freedom and I am sure they will respect the rules that remain in place for good reason much more.
Have a look at the Irish proposals for releasing the lockdown, they have some very good ideas how some rules can be ended very soon with little or no risk, while other restrictions will have to remain in place for longer. A well thought out and presented plan like that will be respected.
Continuing for some time to say you can only go out once a day for a walk local to you, will show you have not thought about it and will be disrespected, when almost anyone can list several outdoor activities they could do with less or certainly no more risk than their daily walk close to home.
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Posted by Chimp May 08, 2020 at 17:07
I believe the R number for the general population is significantly below 1, but is being inflated by care home figures where most new cases seem to be occurring. Lockdown care homes as tight as a drum, and allow the rest of us some respite from the unnecessarily draconian lockdown measures. I live in Lothian where only around 2000 cases have been reported in total from a population of almost 1 million (source: BBC News website). How many patients have been admitted to the Louisa Jordan??? Get some perspective and let us out to participate in activities where we can maintain social distancing. Sweden had no lockdown at all and have far fewer cases than UK.
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Posted by PiedFifer May 09, 2020 at 16:31
I don't know if the numbers are accurate but I read that in Europe around 500k cancers are diagnosed in an average month. During this pandemic only 15% of cancers have been diagnosed in lockdown months. I've seen doctors claiming their patients aren't getting the treatment they would normally get. It's not hard to see that we will likely see major collateral damage in future if we continue down this path.
There is a worry that there will be a second peak. However there is a good chance there may not even be one or that it won't be as high. The data shows that Social Distancing measures were already having an effect before the lockdowns were instigated. Plus the pool of likely victims has decreased.
If the purpose of lockdown was to flatten the curve then moving forward if flattening the curve or keeping it flat or in decline can be achieved with looser restrictions then it should be done. Without Sweden we would not know if it was even possible.
I'm reminded of the Japanese WW2 soldier who spent 29 years in the jungle refusing to believe that the war was over. Imagine if there was never going to be a 2nd peak. How long would we continue treading on eggshells for before we realised?
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Posted by jimmac123 May 09, 2020 at 19:28
In other words, this is not an argument of "lives vs the Economy" - it is an argument of "lives vs the Economy and lives".
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Posted by johnxsmith2019 May 10, 2020 at 13:22
Many people are crumbling behind closed doors, running out of money etc - £74 a week on UC for many who have mortgages/family etc is no help.
So many have fallen through the cracks of the various help the Government issued - only people that have got something are salary on PAYE and if you have premises. Most others Universal Credits.
The SNP cannot stop Scotland from working if they are not giving us additional financial support.
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Posted by JaneySue May 10, 2020 at 21:29
Locking us down does not make the virus go away.
We could stay locked down for years and the virus would still come back.
A vaccine or immunity will make the virus go away so we need to get back to work safely and protect our health from the multiple I’ll effects of the lockdown.
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Posted by Shona May 11, 2020 at 12:29
Not everyone will survive getting this virus sadly - but continued 2m distance outwith immediate family, hand washing etc can mitigate going forward.
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Posted by Gi May 11, 2020 at 12:31
Lifting lockdown or easing too soon puts people at risk and under pressure.
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Posted by Stargazer1960 May 11, 2020 at 14:57
Increased testing including randomised non-symptomatic testing in the community will be essential to understand how far away we are from being truly able to test, track and isolate.
However, we have to learn how to live with this disease as it does not seem to be going away anytime soon. We need to keep pushing the regular hand washing/sanitising, self isolation if symptomatic, wearing a face covering when out and about in busy venues and try to ensure that these are being followed robustly throughout society before any 'return to normal' can be considered
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Posted by Alec_Erskine May 11, 2020 at 17:31
The loss of life caused by the lockdown (extra cancers, extra heart attacks, stress related condition, losing the will to live, domestic murders etc) has to be balanced against the saved lives. Also the massive deterioration in quality to life and destruction of people's livelihoods has to be considered.
This is a condition that affects a tiny minority of us and virtually nobody under the age of 30.
The old are at it again, we have fleeced the young for our pensions, inflated property so they cannot find anywhere to live, and now we are ruining their lives by putting them under house arrest. Let them out now.
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#limitrisks
#thinkofothers #ThinkFamilyFriendsFuture
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