Enforce the wearing of masks

Similar to China and other European countries (Slovenia, Czech Republic, parts of Italy), enforce the wearing of masks in public to reduce the spread of the virus. These masks need to be affordable as current prices are high and unaffordable for low income families. Small fines should be in place for people not adhering to the rule.

Why the contribution is important

Although social distancing measures are currently in place, when carrying out my weekly visit to the supermarket - it is clear that people are not averting to these measures. For example, correctly spacing ourselves when queuing to go into the shop, yet once inside people cannot adhere to one way systems or personal space. I feel that everyone wearing masks would offer some comfort and reassurance to people, like myself, who worry about others not adhering to the rule. With regards to work, I need to undertake home visits, deal closely with members of the public and transport children and young people. Having an efficient amount of PPE would ensure that not only I have a mask but the families that I support. I’m aware that there is much debate surrounding the wearing of masks, but they do act as a barrier stopping droplets of saliva coming out of people’s mouths.

by M_Martin on May 05, 2020 at 02:23PM

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  • Posted by GMac01 May 05, 2020 at 14:27

    Wearing of masks may well show that people are prepared to take positive action in the next stages
  • Posted by Fifer72 May 05, 2020 at 14:27

    Enforcing things breeds resentment. Encourage the use of masks.
  • Posted by POLOPARKJ May 05, 2020 at 14:29

    I tend to go with the view, that masks themselves will become source of contagion, giving false securities
  • Posted by JDKFB May 05, 2020 at 14:30

    It obviously does no harm to wear a face mask, however if it does become an 'edict', where are people to get them from. We can't start charging people for them, there's enough people can't even put food on the table at the moment. They need to be freely available at 'point of entry' to shops/enclosed spaces.
  • Posted by PaulWG May 05, 2020 at 14:31

    Face masks will be necessary in places where social distancing may not be feasible (shops, public transport, etc), but are little benefit in the open air. They may, however, give people a false sense of security and increase the risk of infection if not managed properly. Should only be enforced once key workers have no PPE shortages.
  • Posted by Ann May 05, 2020 at 14:33

    There is very little scientific evidence to support this . I can only see it being of only slight benefit on public transport where people are in close proximity for greater than 15 mins . If people feel psychologically better wearing one , up to them but don’t think it needs to be compulsory .
  • Posted by Agourlay May 05, 2020 at 14:35

    I am unaware of where to buy masks? There is a lot of demand for them in hardware stores and can be relatively hard to procure - such as buying online at inflated prices. Also, some people may not have the material or ability to create masks. Also breathing is not great with face masks as I would compare it to breathing under covers and may be very uncomfortable to people and make them feel claustrophobic. I would say yes wear a face mask if you wish but should not be mandatory. I would encourage those developing symptoms (who should remain at home) should use face masks as they contain the infected particles rather than those who do not have C-19. The government should procure enough face masks or PPE, firstly to NHS, care and public facing employees and if there is excess to demand then this should be available for those in public spaces. I.e. supermarkets, doctors surgeries or other public places.
  • Posted by Donald May 05, 2020 at 14:36

    I would rather wear a face shield than a mask. Covers more of the face, leads likelihood of touching face.
  • Posted by BiggGrumperz May 05, 2020 at 14:39

    The masks need to be free, easily obtainable, and washed everyday. Look at mobile phone usage while driving. So it'll never happen.
  • Posted by jtaeu May 05, 2020 at 14:42

    People should be sensible enough to manage their own health. I agree that if you are unwell and you absolutely have no other choice but to leave home then you should wear a mask to protect others from you. But if you are asymptomatic and otherwise healthy there is little evidence to prove that a mask will help. If you have a mask on, but touch something and then touch your face later on you'll still get the virus. Do we really want to live in a society where everyone is walking around masked? If it gives you a false sense of security then wear a mask, but don't force everyone else to.
  • Posted by GMScotMacau May 05, 2020 at 14:43

    Im a Scot living in Macau which has stopped the spread of Covid19 very successfully with no deaths and only 45 cases since end of Jan. Wearing a mask really works here. The Macau government allows 10 masks per person sold by the government at registered pharmacies every 2 weeks at cost price of 8 MOP (80p) for 10 on showing some form ID. Yes it does take a bit of getting used to wearing but it quickly becomes a routine. These are to be used in all public spaces. can't get into public buildings or transport without one but people can move about freely. Along with temperature checks at all public building and workplaces and a daily health certificate app which you have to download and show for entry the measures have been working well.
  • Posted by M_Martin May 05, 2020 at 14:49

    I would agree that masks should be free, or extremely cheap. Current prices for personal use are around £1 per surgical face mask. Face shields make breathing easier, yet are again more expensive. I am included in the key worker group, yet sourcing PPE, means an unnecessary trip to the office where what you take is highly scrutinised due to shortages. However, the governments knew this was coming and failed us on getting an adequate supply of PPE. I stated in the original post, that there is a debate over face masks, but remind those commenting that they do stop saliva droplets from leaving the mouth...
  • Posted by M_Martin May 05, 2020 at 14:52

    Jtaeu: I understand where you are coming from, but other countries have enforced mask wearing and had low cross infection rates, and less deaths than the UK.
  • Posted by M_Martin May 05, 2020 at 14:54

    GMScotMacau: Thank you for this comments, it’s helpful to know what other counties are doing, and to hear that the riches of masks are capped.
  • Posted by Absport May 05, 2020 at 14:54

    Let’s educate showing that mask wearing is socially responsible
  • Posted by SimonShearer May 05, 2020 at 15:00

    I think masks are counterproductive
  • Posted by Blinsider May 05, 2020 at 15:03

    The purpose of masks is to reduce the risk of the wearer infecting someone else with Covid 19. If the benefit is only small (and it may in fact be quite large) masks surely should be worn when shopping or on public transport as a minimum measure but possibly elsewhere too. A small price to pay for regaining some freedom surely. We need to embrace the lessons learnt elsewhere in the world.
  • Posted by Ed May 05, 2020 at 15:04

    YEs! Many Asian countries are managing to keep the virus at bay - but everybody wears a mask. It may not stop you catching theirs but it does help stop you spreading the virus. This should be an enforced requirement for every Scot. Wear a mask in public.
  • Posted by sl806e May 05, 2020 at 15:11

    There is little or no evidence to show that wearing a mask will make much difference. But it does a great job of feeding peoples paranoia.
  • Posted by jenny333 May 05, 2020 at 15:16

    I think the government should set up a group looking at designing a type of headgear. There are other materials apart from cloth. I have ordered a few things off Ebay to try out.
  • Posted by GMScotMacau May 05, 2020 at 15:22

    For it to be feasible the government would have to manage the sale and distribution of masks at a fixed affordable subsidised price so it is accessible for everybody. Sold via an approved appointed neighbourhood pharmacy or clinic or collection point which records your data when collecting to avoid the chance of anybody abusing the system and reselling on. This would allow those that want to spend their money on their own reusable masks to do so. Making it mandatory for public to wear them in the medium term is a relatively small price to pay for being allowed to move about freely imo.
  • Posted by Scotelka May 05, 2020 at 16:38

    Really in favour of the idea of not just advising to wear masks but making it obligatory. It was empirically shown in countries which use them that it can help to prevent the spread. However, equally important is proper education: how to wear a mask, how to dispose of it, who should be exempt (asthma sufferers). Wide access to face masks (sorry, but if other countries can provide free masks on entering the supermarket, UK should eventually be able to do that too) is essential, distributing masks to pharmacies and shops to allow people to purchase them easily. Clear message from the government and new set of rules to support this.
  • Posted by M_Martin May 05, 2020 at 16:46

    Thanks for the comments and discussion. There appears to be a lot of non-media or fake news reported on mask wearing. There is evidence to suggest that they stop the spread of Covid, and it takes days to begin displaying signs and symptoms. Do you not think that wearing masks and limiting social distancing is a small price to pay for additional freedom, meeting with our loved ones, and getting out of the house?
  • Posted by M_Martin May 05, 2020 at 17:46

    I completely agree that we need to educate on the wearing of masks, and if other countries provide them for free, we should too.
  • Posted by gmb May 05, 2020 at 17:59

    The risk of infection from accidentally contaminating the mask and from touching your face more (almost impossible to avoid if you're wearing a mask, especially if you wear glasses) must not be ignored. I would feel much more vulnerable if we were forced to wear masks. Please don't make it mandatory!
  • Posted by Archana May 06, 2020 at 09:29

    This should be made mandatory asap, advise people to make customised coverings
  • Posted by westkip May 06, 2020 at 10:54

    I have a number of concerns regarding telling the public to wear masks/face coverings. I think it gives people a false sense of security and encourages them not to practice social distancing. This is evident in the supermarket. We get told not to touch our faces but I think we are more likely to touch our face with a mask on as we are not used to it and may find it irritating and what about when you sneeze! Also peoples interpretation of what a face covering is and how to use them safely is very patchy to say the least. This week in the supermarket one person held a scarf to their mouth with their hand, another the cowl neck of their sweat shirt, then used those hands to pick up/handle items. Another person removed their buff as approaching the self serve till and used their hand to operate the till. As the benefits of masks are so sketchy I feel that human error/behaviour may negate any benefits and indeed may increase the risks.
  • Posted by Rachel_T1502 May 06, 2020 at 12:42

    Perhaps there could be a public health campaign on the correct use of face coverings and not touching/readjusting them, with posters and repeated adverts on TV etc emphasising the message that masks are only partially effective and only a small part of reducing transmission and repeating message of the greater importance of social distancing and handwashing. could include home-made masks from old T shirts/pillowcases and would need to be washed with detergent after every use. Even if only partially effective this could save huge numbers of lives on a mass level
  • Posted by Andyggow2010 May 06, 2020 at 13:48

    I think masks on public transports, shopping centres, shops and when open coffee shops are essentials
  • Posted by davidearly May 06, 2020 at 13:52

    No. Zero evidence of their effectiveness. It's as simple as that.
  • Posted by The_Guru May 06, 2020 at 14:00

    There is no evidence to support the wearing of masks. Yes, I know that Asian countries are wearing face masks and have been for some years, part of the reason for this is the poor air quality in these countries. People should be able to make up their own minds about this. if it makes them feel safer , then wear them. Live and let live, and respect each other decisions.
  • Posted by DeeDee May 06, 2020 at 14:37

    No to mask wearing - it makes people think they are invincible and able to break the social distancing rules.
  • Posted by andrewtlloyd May 06, 2020 at 15:33

    I'm all for showing that I care about the health of those around me. Generally, people are doing their best to ensure social distancing in the street and give each other a nod of thanks for the courtesy. As someone who has had already COVID-19, I don't feel that wearing a mask adds any protection for me or those around me whatsoever. We need to have a socially-acceptable, visible way to identify those who have been tested to have the assumed protection of antibodies.
  • Posted by jenny333 May 06, 2020 at 17:39

    It is breathing on people in confined spaces for reasonable lengths of time, ( It once said on the news, face to face for more than 15 mins, but they often change their advice ). So busy trains and buses where you are right next to people is the problem. Most people , if any, are not coughing or sneezing. I don't know if droplets from talking are filtered, but breathing is not filtered apart from in very very expensive medical equipment.
  • Posted by Balderdash May 06, 2020 at 19:13

    The effectiveness of face masks / covering is extremely weak and should be a matter of personal choice. In my opinion people don't use face coverings effectively and there are additional risks through transmission through people touching their faces more to adjust coverings or failing to adhere to more effective measures e.g. hand washing. No one acknowledges the problems of wearing coverings with glasses.
  • Posted by Kylesku May 06, 2020 at 20:13

    Enforcing is what happens in a dictatorship Encouragement & education is what should happen in a democracy. Lets see what NIcola chooses
  • Posted by Halina May 06, 2020 at 22:07

    I definitely think masks should be worn by everyone. It just makes sense to me and from the research I've done it appears to help to reduce the possiblity of spreading the virus when used appropriately and along side good personal hygiene practices. From what I have seen and experienced there's an awful lot of people who either don't get the stay 2m apart social distancing or are just ignoring it.
  • Posted by Rachel_T1502 May 06, 2020 at 23:37

    I think someone posted elsewhere it would be very helpful for political figures/celebrities to show leadership in wearing masks and on TV etc to encourage the wider public in this respect which I think is a good idea
  • Posted by Colin87 May 07, 2020 at 06:20

    I disagree. Evidence of mask effectiveness is sketchy. Focus on increasing testing significantly and dealing with care homes infection. Focus on enforcing social distancing but not enforcing an ineffective measure
  • Posted by Kookaburra71 May 07, 2020 at 07:08

    Everyone wearing masks when out would reduce the risk of the virus to less than 3% regardless of if they have the virus combine that with the social distancing and all the other guidelines it would only help more. There are loads of ways you can make a mask from things at home I found one on Facebook using a sock no stitching nothing just cutting it correctly and everyone has socks at home that way we don't take away any PPE meant for the front line. This would help with getting things started as most people are struggling mentally never mind financially.
  • Posted by Abdnshiremum May 07, 2020 at 07:24

    Really disagree with mandatory masks - there is not enough evidence to support this and there are real negatives for society. I am ok with the current guidance and will wear one when I can’t socially distance but mandatory coverings is not where I want my country to go.
  • Posted by DennisThecat May 07, 2020 at 10:18

    In my experience (from an NHS background) the public do not wear their masks correctly and keep touching them, readjusting them, and not cleaning them. They then touch surfaces objects and spread what was on their face much more readings
  • Posted by WilfredLawrieNicholasJohnson May 07, 2020 at 12:25

    Wearing masks in public should be mandatory with fines imposed. Looking at Germany as one of the best examples in Europe they seem to be taking this protocol very seriously.
  • Posted by colinbro99 May 07, 2020 at 12:26

    The international experiment will soon show harder scientific evidence. PS it's Slovakia that has mandated them, not Slovenia - oft confused. Both small nations like Scotland ... See https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765525 for why FACE SHIELDS are preferable: - protect all face incl eyes - socially inclusive - re-usable ++
  • Posted by M_Martin May 07, 2020 at 14:06

    There is some evidence to suggest that wearing of masks reduces the spread of infection, and if you don’t know that you have virus for days until the symptoms show - then why not promote the wearing of masks? The comments on shields being preferential are welcomed - but far more expensive to make and supply within a short time frame. Apologies for the mix up between Slovenia and Slovakia.
  • Posted by randomchaos May 07, 2020 at 15:23

    And this is why Scotland doesn't deserve it's own government...
  • Posted by donnamt May 07, 2020 at 16:50

    It really needs to be more than a recommendation. It needs to be enforced until people take this virus seriously! I will do my bit to protect others but others do not seem to want to protect me just now!
  • Posted by Pragmatist May 07, 2020 at 17:31

    Either way I think the guidance on masks should be more clear - either yes in x,y,z place or not required. The current situation is confusing.
  • Posted by scotjs May 07, 2020 at 19:48

    Masks stop cough/sneeze/talking droplets launching far! So yes!
  • Posted by laumon May 08, 2020 at 07:31

    Absolutely yes ! Should be use at all times in public places !
  • Posted by jerrys May 08, 2020 at 11:10

    The evidence for any benefit is extremely weak; there may be a "belts and braces" argument to require masks if 2m distancing is not practical but equally it could give a false sense of security. Overall without further evidence I would be against any compulsion
  • Posted by Wulan19 May 08, 2020 at 12:57

    The evidence is strong that if everyone wears mask it is very effective, the countries that are doing best all wear them as a norm. The resistance to this one easy step to help get our country back to normal is very disappointing. The government discouraging use is a disgrace.
  • Posted by BeataK May 08, 2020 at 14:00

    Why are we not producing masks? These are dead simple to saw, could be done by prisoners as in other countries and we would have enough for all. In other countries masks are given out for free on the streets and there are tonnes of it in on street vending machines but we are still struggling with this.
  • Posted by gmb May 08, 2020 at 16:20

    Please do not make wearing of masks compulsory! It is extremely difficult to avoid touching your face when donning, wearing, and removing a mask, especially if you wear glasses. Furthermore, one would likely have to put the same mask on and off several times in one day before getting hope to wash it, and the risk of contaminating this bit of cloth you are pressing to your nose and mouth would be severe. I would feel much more at risk of infection if we all had to wear masks, especially in shops where one inevitably has to touch surfaces that others have touched. Compared to the very brief moments someone might pass close to you in a shop, I think the risk of transferring the virus from hand to face in this context far outweighs any benefits. (Public transport might be a bit different, since there one is near the same people for a prolonged period, and also there is much less need to touch surfaces. But anywhere other than public transport is deeply concerning.)
  • Posted by RCM May 08, 2020 at 16:20

    There may be a case for mandatory wearing of masks when social distancing is not possible such as on public transport. Otherwise it should remain discretional. We should subject the population to a minimum of restriction that meets infection control objectives. People should have the choice to do what works for them: wearing a mask or not. I personally would be more likely to touch my face with a mask thereby increasing the risk of infecting myself. In shops I am careful to observe social distancing for my protection and the protection of others.
  • Posted by Graham May 08, 2020 at 16:24

    wearing a mask is a very visible demonstration that the wearer wishes not to spread the disease. Masks are good for preventing contagious people from spreading, rather than for preventing people from catching the virus. Wearing one demonstrates an element of responsibility. Wearing one could be made a condition of entry for certain establishments.
  • Posted by TiMoMac May 08, 2020 at 21:04

    I really don't want to live in a country where mask where is compulsory or even advisory. For certain professions, absolutely. However for the general public, the evidence doesn't way up.
  • Posted by WBRnotes May 08, 2020 at 22:03

    I think the wearing of masks in confined spaces such as on public transport, in shops and in hairdressers, at work in offices and libraries etc, should happen. Tricky for those of us with glasses (and some may be unable to wear masks for medical reasons) but it would be helpful in preventing the spread of germs when someone coughs or sneezes which it has been shown can travel as far as 15 feet!
  • Posted by waxwing May 09, 2020 at 10:26

    Scientific evidence is largely against this. It could backfire by giving people confidence to break social distancing.
  • Posted by XR May 09, 2020 at 12:27

    Stop tying to enforce things on people. Please provide guidances and trust your fellow citizens.
  • Posted by Sandsmill May 09, 2020 at 16:09

    People have a choice now to cover their faces and that should continue. In order to get the country back to some kind of normality maybe we should start wearing masks, but people need to know how to use them properly, how to remove them safely and how to look after them.
  • Posted by HelenMM May 09, 2020 at 21:47

    If something is made mandatory then the product should be readily available and also provided by the body that made the use of such item mandatory. Does anyone see either the UK or Scottish Government sending parcels of face masks to peoples homes, 30 at a time per 1 individual per calendar month? Given their track record so far with NHS etc and the prices at the moment for face masks I just cannot afford this and the idea of a fine being imposed fills me with dread. I would support the Government supplying re-usable masks (as the fabric face coverings do not provide as much protection) but having it on for the usual 8 hour shift would be very difficult.
  • Posted by AlexMD May 10, 2020 at 07:56

    Utter nonsense according to Prof. Jason Leitch. The individual isn't skilled enough to put a mask on correctly - and doesn't have the proper equipment anyway.
  • Posted by WBRnotes May 10, 2020 at 09:44

    The thing with personal choice is that while the vast majority of people may follow the guidance, it only takes a few to endanger many others. In the case of wearing masks or not, one person in a supermarket who doesn't wear a mask and coughs strongly can spread viral droplets up to 15' thereby possibly infecting many others. Thus, while I have sympathy for personal choice and like to think people will behave well, I think in this case enforcing mask wearing could well be desirable. Additionally, even among those who question the use of masks, many accept that if someone is infected wearing a mask will reduce the spread of the disease.
  • Posted by helenmaryatkinson May 10, 2020 at 11:14

    The virus will be with us for a long time. It makes more sense to reiterate that washing, distance, avoiding mass audiences and wearing efficient masks for anyone having to have close contact with others is a more viable long term option.
  • Posted by conniel May 10, 2020 at 11:25

    Masks should only be enforced in situations where the science indicates there is an overall benefit.
  • Posted by Weetracee May 10, 2020 at 11:41

    No enforcement of masks as science provides risks as well as benefits. This may be more beneficial in busy places such as shopping facilities as used by vulnerable individuals, but not in quite spaces.
  • Posted by Mandy2752 May 10, 2020 at 13:28

    If masks have to be worn for a short period of time in order to get the country moving I don't know what the problem is. Myself and my son at the momement wear face coverings to do a food shop as people are refusing to social distance or don't understand how to comply. We wear gloves, get outside, remove the gloves and sanitize our hands before removing the mask and then wash our hands when we get home. To date has kept us safe. It may be fear with people not doing what is asked but it is your choice not to. But if you choose not to, please do not laugh at me or judge me because I cover my face and please have the sense to social distance. Stop standing beside each other in supermarkets and to the man who looked at me and coughed in my face? Too explicit to write but you obviously have no brain cells whatsoever. Stay safe everyone.
  • Posted by doug356 May 10, 2020 at 14:51

    Totally agree with this idea. Masks shouldn't be optional and our government could ramp up production of N95 and provide them at all entrances to supermarkets in conjunction with hand sanitiser.
  • Posted by Nm May 11, 2020 at 08:50

    Each step of lockdown easing should be accompanied by strong advice to wear a mask. We need to consider other people as it is only fair to share the burden of risk that each new lockdown freedom will increase.
  • Posted by alexandra97 May 11, 2020 at 13:17

    Really needs to be noted that the NHS and care workers do not have enough PPE. Personally I choose not to wear a disposable mask that could be worn by a clinician. Soft coverings I would agree with but it needs to be stressed that fluid resistant paper masks are disposable for a reason so if you are going to wear them do it correctly, the are only effective for a short period of time and are not intended for repeated use. Also note that wearing a face mask won’t protect you, but should you have the virus and be asymptomatic it could aid in protecting others.
  • Posted by Cathol May 11, 2020 at 14:10

    Masks do not stop the virus, if you can breathe through them the virus can also pass through They also encourage people to touch their faces more. Gloves are another issue, unless changed in every environment, change or sanitised you are just transferring the virus if it is present. Possibly surgical masks in enclosed spaces but need to be Ffp3. These will serve a better purpose being supplied to health care workers. Increasing the plastic waste. Often disgarded and not disposed of appropriately.
  • Posted by coolcat May 11, 2020 at 14:21

    For the same reason other people have posted on here I am not in favour of masks being compulsory. I take the social distancing very seriously as does my supermarket . I go out for exercise far less than am allowed to do. I see far too much misuse of face masks ie pulled down below the nose sometimes stuck under the chin....I wonder how many people are aware they should be removed in a certain way and washed or disposed of as ( if you wear one ) you logically should believe that it is potentially contaminated after you have been out. Someone made the point about educating people on the use of masks and I agree with that but would still prefer to restrict myself in other ways so as not to have to wear one.
  • Posted by DSEDIN May 11, 2020 at 17:26

    Ya we're all fed up with slow to act UK and ScotGov that should have made mask wearing and emergency priority but half heartedly adopted measures, probably leading to people dying unnecessarily. So much for the experts!
  • Posted by Kerran May 11, 2020 at 19:25

    Masks should be compulsory for everyone who can wear them when I’m confined spaces such as public transport or busy places such as supermarkets- but social distancing should also still be practiced - masks would help as lots of people not properly social distancing in these area - some exceptions as some people not able to wear for health reasons- but they would be protected by the majority wearing them
  • Posted by Brett May 11, 2020 at 20:36

    We should support the wearing of masks. This requires support in the acquiring and disposal/ cleaning of them. Clear advice of how to wear, cope with and remove a mask safely. Dos and don'ts for a nation that don't routinely wear masks. If we are to make sure people can comply with the need to wear a mask for extended periods. Then education and support are more important than ever. For example if I leave my house at 6.30am and travel to work on public transport for 1.5 hours. I then work for eight hours in a customer facing role that will require a face coverings and return home by the same transport. I have been out of the house for 13 hours. That's if I get my normal train and bus. Which is unlikely due to capacity changes and as advice on travelling safely evolves. As someone who has never worn a mask the impact of this shouldn't be under estimated. Commuting and working in customer facing roles are perfectly normal in our society. We should support people to feel safe and by a consequence make others feel safe.
  • Posted by ScotScott May 11, 2020 at 21:09

    I'd support compulsory wearing of masks on public transport because people are in such close proximity. Other countries fine people for not wearing masks. It it were proven that masks cut infection rates on public transport I would support fines here too.
  • Posted by Claresy May 11, 2020 at 21:14

    No masks unless science shows they’re of benefit. Thus far from what I’ve seen, masks breed complacency and discourage social distancing.
  • Posted by KevinG May 11, 2020 at 21:37

    Masks are to give people a little comfort and feel safer, the downside is that technically every time you remove the mask it needs discarded....wash your hands and replace the mask to prevent the possibility of contamination.
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