Staying at home advice
The suggestion is that when it is safe to do so, people will be able to leave their home more often and/or for longer because current expert advice suggests outdoor activity poses less risk than indoor activity.
Why the contribution is important
The Scottish Government has committed to engaging with the public and is interested to hear your thoughts on this topic.
by ScottishGovernment on May 04, 2020 at 08:20PM
Posted by tom26 May 05, 2020 at 13:00
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Posted by MichelleBaron May 05, 2020 at 13:07
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Posted by Plymo May 05, 2020 at 13:08
This section of the current rules is responsible for the vast majority of confusion, friction between public and police and over-zealous enforcement - often for little benefit. After all, people sensibly spaced out sunbathing are no more risk than those "exercising" in the same park, and far less than going to a supermarket.
It would allow a return to "normality" without significantly increasing risk
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Posted by Garywall8787 May 05, 2020 at 13:10
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Posted by Fiona May 05, 2020 at 13:11
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Posted by CG25 May 05, 2020 at 13:19
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Posted by lalpton May 05, 2020 at 13:19
60 minutes would be even better (perhaps limited to once week?).
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Posted by Thalie May 05, 2020 at 13:38
Also, being in the sun these days has great benefits on both mental and physical health. As long as social distancing is enforced, people should be allowed to sit in parks for example for an hour or two or so.
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Posted by lucieallan May 05, 2020 at 13:40
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Posted by alogan May 05, 2020 at 14:07
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Posted by BiggarRural May 05, 2020 at 14:29
The English advice about a short car journey to a longer walk makes far more sense. By driving for 5 minutes we can have a decent walk with no gates, and without meeting more than maybe a couple of people, from whom we can easily distance.
Rules need to be more pragmatic and not just for political sound bite purposes. I think we need to trust people more now - we are all surely aware of the potential dire consequences of becoming infected and of how to protect ourselves.
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Posted by fraser May 05, 2020 at 14:30
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Posted by MDG May 05, 2020 at 14:41
We have witnessed folk in their 20s/early 30s clearly not being able to cope with being housebound and a marketing campaign should be used to target them to reinforce the guidance and their understanding of what social distancing means and how it actually impacts on those graphs, its not been good enough and has undoubtedly impacted on the rate of infection. Too many young drivers/motorcyclists have seen the lockdown as an opportunity to use quieter roads and basically ignored the "essential" aspect and have been seen meeting up outwith family groups, basically two fingers up to the country.
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Posted by JaneySue May 05, 2020 at 14:42
Also very pleased that my local police force has been very light touch and not stopped and asked people where they are going and why.
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Posted by LA May 05, 2020 at 14:43
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Posted by mickm1 May 05, 2020 at 14:47
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Posted by Aa May 05, 2020 at 15:01
Yes, you can drive to the forest for a walk, but keep physical distancing (If thanks still to be the current advice).
It's much safer to go for a short drive and walk in the woods, than to go to a supermarket.
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Posted by Tonia May 05, 2020 at 15:14
We are not able to just walk out anywhere, we have to drive, either a five or ten minute drive allows us to walk for approximately one hour, where we dont usually see anyone, and if we did are able to maintain social distancing.
I think the rule for not driving for exercise should be relaxed .
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Posted by ifu03359 May 05, 2020 at 15:20
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Posted by paulthevol May 05, 2020 at 15:48
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Posted by Markxd May 05, 2020 at 16:13
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Posted by lindadoune May 05, 2020 at 16:17
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Posted by Benalder May 05, 2020 at 16:29
It would also be helpful if Ministers (and the Police) recognised that their is a world of difference between what they are saying is guidance ( i.e whay they think 'you should do') and what the various pieces of legislation require (and which falls into things 'you must do' category).
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Posted by DrT May 05, 2020 at 16:50
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Posted by Benalder May 05, 2020 at 16:51
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Posted by Alasdrum May 05, 2020 at 17:01
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Posted by spittalhill May 05, 2020 at 17:07
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Posted by PaulB1987 May 05, 2020 at 18:36
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Posted by NeilMacd May 05, 2020 at 18:39
Social distancing is easier to manage than going to the shops or out for a walk in my local area.
Scottish People understand the risks as well as the benefits of social distancing and nobody wants to catch or transmit the disease but for gods sake let us get to these areas for our mental health and well-being. By relaxing areas where social distancing can be easily adhered to it will ease the strains of all the other restrictions that will be with us for many months to come.
As a last note it really angers me that I must work and put my self and family at risk every day as a key worker on the electricity network yet I am not allowed to practice my hobby which is measurably safer.
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Posted by RossK May 05, 2020 at 19:10
For those people not fortunate enough to be close to a park it should be perfectly OK to drive to take a walk in a much more open and pleasant area such as a park. It is completely misguided to criticise people for doing this - it does not in any way increase the risk of infection. In fact asking people to walk round the neighbourhood in a built up area is a lot more challenging to keep a good distance than in an open park or promenade area.
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Posted by nltcthgc May 05, 2020 at 19:30
When do you think it will be safe? This is a virus which is likely to be around forever. Even with a vaccine, thousands of people will likely still die from it - just look at the current flu statistics. It will be a risk like any other. The best way to avoid dying from it is to try and live a fit and healthy life, get as much fresh air as you can and do regular exercise. Something which the current lockdown restrictions are preventing millions of people from doing.
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Posted by Roland May 05, 2020 at 19:32
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Posted by DrSaraParvis May 05, 2020 at 19:42
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Posted by Rachel_T1502 May 05, 2020 at 20:12
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Posted by adnil May 05, 2020 at 20:28
Restricting to local area should remain in place to prevent crowding to beauty spots.
Face coverings compulsory.
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Posted by waterstein May 05, 2020 at 20:53
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Posted by eroomxul May 05, 2020 at 22:26
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Posted by tentelt May 05, 2020 at 22:56
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Posted by Evelyn May 05, 2020 at 23:08
In the main this should be undertaken from home but consideration should be given to allowing a short drive (say 15-30 minutes) to allow exercise somewhere other than on streets - maybe to allow children to access a park or other running about space.
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Posted by Anna May 06, 2020 at 01:05
These things are very difficult to control in sparsely policed rural areas.
Restricting walking and cycling to areas local to individuals makes better sense. Recent going to Takeaway Costas etc by car creating tail backs shows morethought needs to go into changes or the freeing up will result in increased insecurity. Keep giving us clear messages please.
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Posted by Anna May 06, 2020 at 01:06
These things are very difficult to control in sparsely policed rural areas.
Restricting walking and cycling to areas local to individuals makes better sense. Recent going to Takeaway Costas etc by car creating tail backs shows morethought needs to go into changes or the freeing up will result in increased insecurity. Keep giving us clear messages please.
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Posted by OldDeuteronomy May 06, 2020 at 03:04
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Posted by Teresa May 06, 2020 at 09:24
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Posted by Dianepbulloch May 06, 2020 at 09:26
Furthermore, I can see no reason at all why access to specific outside sports facilities is refused. Golf courses and tennis courts provide very obvious and clear opportunities for people to exercise effectively and with others whilst maintaining a safe distance and it is ridiculous that these facilities remain closed. You claim to care about people’s mental heath and yet access to facilities which would significantly enhance this is still refused.
And finally, to decree that only one limited form of exercise is permitted in a day, when the sun is shining, the children are shut indoors is ridiculous and unreasonable. I would venture to suggest that this rule is in any event only loosely adhered and it would be far more constructive to support increased exposure to our great outdoors as I for one, will not spend summer days and days indoors looking out at the sunshine being enjoyed by others fortunate enough to have gardens and immediate access to wide open spaces.
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Posted by Uilleam_G May 06, 2020 at 09:44
For these reasons I strongly support suggestions that a limited amount of "non-essential travel" be allowed to transport individuals (and household members) to locations where uncrowded conditions for hill-walking and cycling can be obtained. The car-parks associated with forestry commision land, national parks and so on, for natural choke points where un-controlled parking is likely to lead to crowding and the break-down of social distance, To minimise this risk, car-parks whihc have been closed during the "lock-down" should be re-opened and marked with parking spaces appropriated designed and spaced so as to maintain social distance. In particularly popular locations entry to such parks might need to be controlled and their use rationed.
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Posted by jsbg May 06, 2020 at 09:48
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Posted by glasgowdoctor May 06, 2020 at 11:21
Current advice is that all people should avoid going outside if at all possible, particularly those who are thought to be more vulnerable to COVID-19. This is utterly ridiculous advice bearing in mind the contents of my first paragraph and the inscrutable fact that respiratory tract viruses such as COVID-19 are vanishingly unlikely to be transmitted outdoors when close physical contact is avoided.
I know of many elderly patients who have not left their houses since mid-March due to the advice given by the Scottish Government. A number of these people are now at a stage where the resultant loss of physical fitness means that they would be unable to go outside even if they wanted to. Long experience as a GP teaches me that the vast majority of these people will be housebound for the rest of their lives and nothing can be done to change this.
Please please please can the Scottish Government make a return to policy based on evidence and common sense.
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Posted by conniel May 06, 2020 at 11:36
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Posted by LauraJones May 06, 2020 at 12:03
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Posted by TonyFinn May 06, 2020 at 13:40
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Posted by TW May 06, 2020 at 13:48
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Posted by kararaff May 06, 2020 at 14:23
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Posted by Lornab May 06, 2020 at 14:47
Why not? What harm is driving 15-30 minutes to walk for a few hours doing ? Its much safer than dodging other people around build up towns and trying to keep a distance in the crowded parks
One set of clear rules would enable everyone to comply
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Posted by jrob May 06, 2020 at 15:07
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Posted by KSS May 06, 2020 at 18:15
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Posted by Bank May 06, 2020 at 18:15
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Posted by Brett May 06, 2020 at 18:39
I would also support outside space being used for more than just exercise if social distancing was also maintained. The two metre advice should not be downgraded.
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Posted by AnaMaria May 06, 2020 at 19:42
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Posted by alisond May 06, 2020 at 20:05
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Posted by Mcfuture May 06, 2020 at 20:27
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Posted by rupparti May 06, 2020 at 21:54
Three suggestions:
Daily online classes for older people as they are doing in Ireland:
www.sielbleu.ie
www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/a-life-saver-the-daily-online-exercise-class-for-older-people-1.4241830
This is cheap to provide.
Sensible exercise outside with guidelines observing social distancing. I have lung cancer and walking regularly in my local park makes it a lot easier for me to breathe well. And important for my mental health.
I have been able to make some small adaptations to my home to make long term shielding easier. How about making small grants available to people who don't necessarily have the resources to do this?
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Posted by AlexMD May 06, 2020 at 22:03
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Posted by ZoeK May 06, 2020 at 22:03
We must learn to live with it.
Social interaction between loved ones must be reinstated with immediate effect.
Mental health and domestic/child abuse is on the extreme rise.
As is violence in communities.
We must think what is best for us and our own.
NO ONE is in control of anothers life.
We can NOT be kept as virtual prisoners no more.
Restore our freedom!
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Posted by timk May 06, 2020 at 22:25
- Law
- Guidance
- Opinion of people on the TV broadcasts
I've seen plenty of conflict between all three and that makes it hard for average people to understand
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Posted by TStrachan May 07, 2020 at 01:37
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Posted by Littld May 07, 2020 at 06:30
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Posted by Abdnshiremum May 07, 2020 at 07:21
Why not allow us to drive a specified distance (up to 20 or 25 miles to prevent people moving too far away from home) to access uncrowded outdoor spaces? The additional transmission risk would be low.
However, this must still keep everyone safe on the roads - what about temporarily lowering speed limits by 10 mph - a bit of caution to keep cyclists, often now including children, safe?
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Posted by DebbieD May 07, 2020 at 09:05
Popular spots for trips could become overwhelmed as was seen at the start of lockdown in Loch Lomond, Arrochar, Glen Coe and other popular spots. Already people are ignoring lockdown and returning to popular locations parking on pavements where car parks are closed.
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Posted by Tessa May 07, 2020 at 09:38
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Posted by DennisThecat May 07, 2020 at 10:14
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Posted by Outdoorfamily May 07, 2020 at 10:14
Although there are always exceptions to the rule where folks don't care or don't get it and invade your space. to this end, I would suggest that to go out, anywhere, we should now wear masks to protect each other.
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Posted by AA1234 May 07, 2020 at 10:40
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Posted by NKTC May 07, 2020 at 11:15
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Posted by Oldknees May 07, 2020 at 13:19
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Posted by Knoydart03 May 07, 2020 at 13:40
If car parks are to be opened, it should be using a phased approach where Blue Badge holders / those carrying a medical note have priority. Whenever this occurs, there should heavy investment in Local Authority funding to ensure staff / parking attendants can be present, as well as redirection of police resources to ensure sensible use of the area.
In the meantime we need clear legislation stating that it is NOT permissible to drive to take exercise. Confusion was rife in Scotland following the announcement from the NPCC recently. Guidance is not enough.
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Posted by DRM May 07, 2020 at 14:28
Some thought should be given to appropriate "rules" to minimise virus transmission when there will be a lot more people in the same outdoor space - particularly if there is no return to working for some at the same time.
Walking across an open park should be relatively straight forward - but much more of a challenge walking down a busier pavement when there are also more cars on the road these days!
Walking along a beach is great but it's the first place folk will head to if car driving restrictions are eased off - the car parks will be congested!
Some form of "face covering" should be required now when in high "pedestrian traffic" areas but we should also consider the added benefit of using some form of glove when in shopping or indoor areas - just to try and minimise the risk of transmission from door handles, hand rails etc.
You can't easily see whether someone washes there hands properly - but you will be able to see if they are responsible enough to wear gloves at the right time.
The statistics clearly show that 65+ are generally a much more vulnerable age group, even though some are still reasonably fit and healthy! So how should we protect them over the next year or so?
If the outdoors are going to be busier - do we need to give some further consideration to suggested "time zones" for the "older generation" to exercise and shop?
Coronavirus is going to be here for a while yet - so let's give some consideration to the "new rules" to be followed as a "quid pro quo" for more time out and about!
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Posted by AndrewRichmond May 07, 2020 at 14:37
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Posted by BARRIEGADGIE May 07, 2020 at 14:59
So, Countryside Rangers, Foresters, etc. need clear guidance and advice.
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Posted by RosG May 07, 2020 at 15:22
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Posted by cathymayne May 07, 2020 at 15:33
I would urge the government to maintain the restrictions on travel, whether for the day or for holidays, for a long time yet.
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Posted by fishwhisperer May 07, 2020 at 16:17
I would be concerned that a blanket, unlimited relaxation of the guidance will result in: (i) folk becoming complacent and thinking that all's back to the norm; (ii) overcrowded streets and paths; (iii) people heading en masse to the beach/parks/hills and them becoming overcrowded, and in such a scenario, not having a back-up plan or being willing to head elsewhere after having made the effort and the journey to get there or somehow convincing themselves that they're safe as they're outdoors.
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Posted by BrendaRae May 07, 2020 at 16:51
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Posted by lmac8355 May 07, 2020 at 17:35
Most adults would be sensible and observe social distancing and it would be a great step forward to move beyond my home as its a housing estate and I miss the countryside and beach which is only ten minutes drive from my home.
My husband was a keen golfer and we have spoken at length about keeping safe there. Only using their own equipment, sanitising the flags, no shaking hands, social distancing etc. Are all possible but would need a short car drive from home. This would greatly help his fitness and health. I realise he would be playing with someone outside his home but if the kept to the 2 meter rule they would be safe.
Whatever is decided the rules need to be very clear so there is no confusion.
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Posted by euroGLLoch May 07, 2020 at 18:18
'Staying at home' advice for all, vulnerable and others, should be dropped. The over 70s need physical exercise (proven fact) outdoors, where transmission of Sars Cov2 is small (almost proven!?).
Living in a city and in a flat makes social distancing outdoors difficult, as local parks and walkways close-by are very busy during the day. (For this reason, we are going for a short walk in the evening). Being asked to continue spending the next few month in this restricted environment would become extremely hard to comply with .
We have a second home with a garden in the Highlands at a very remote location, where we normally live during the summer months and where we had planned to be from mid April. There would be no risk of catching the virus and also the added benefit of getting vitamin D, being in the fresh air, exercise through gardening (the tatties are not planted yet!), reduced anxiety about catching the virus. Social distancing of course would still apply (waving to far neighbours), including wearing a face covering during the shopping trip every two weeks or so for food.
I would like to see a sensible policy, which allows all segments of the population to exercise outdoors in a varied environment (allowing some travel) , allow owners to occupy their second homes, - but keeping to strict social distancing rules and at least face coverings when in a public indoor environment.
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Posted by NH May 07, 2020 at 20:17
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Posted by Liberty May 07, 2020 at 20:41
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Posted by Clanchief007 May 08, 2020 at 11:52
If and when controls begin to ease we realise we are still in the vulnerable group.
We have a garden and we can walk in the local park.
But it would be of immense help if people of our age were allowed, when controls ease, to go for a drive to another Park, or a stretch of water, where we could either stay in the car if too many people, or get out for a walk, observing the social distancing.
Since our age group will be the last to return to normality, this would at least give us some stimulation.
After all we won’t be able to go shopping, to church, to museums, castles, church, coffee shops or hairdressers for some considerable time.
We need something to let us out of the house safely
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Posted by FM79 May 08, 2020 at 13:48
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Posted by Wulan19 May 08, 2020 at 14:42
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Posted by WBRnotes May 08, 2020 at 19:31
Allowing people to exercise twice a day would be ok as long as they maintain social distancing.
Others have suggested elsewhere that joggers are asked to exercise at specific times in the day since a good number of them seem not to favour social distancing. I feel sorry for the many joggers who are immensely careful to social distance since they are sometimes getting tarred with the same brush. Not sure what the solution is for this if some joggers (and indeed some people) just don't see social distancing as relevant to them.
Perhaps people should have to wear masks in public?
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Posted by jchapman88 May 08, 2020 at 19:50
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Posted by Free May 08, 2020 at 23:42
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Posted by Stitchwort May 09, 2020 at 10:53
Across Scotland, in rural areas, exercise away from home poses close to zero risk of transmission of Covid 19. In such areas, there is no reason to seek to limit exercise outwith the home.
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Posted by XR May 09, 2020 at 12:24
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Posted by Alkel May 10, 2020 at 12:09
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Posted by Djalaodbdld May 11, 2020 at 08:01
Please set an actual limit on this in miles from you front door that you can travel for exercise. For example in Ireland they are not allowed to travel more than 20km.
Setting clear limits will remove any grey areas where people may unintentionally breaks the rules.
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Posted by Cathol May 11, 2020 at 12:58
Why are we not reacting to new evidence, its apparent that the virus is not as deadly to the general, healthy, working age population.
From the stats is quite clear the most at risk groups, we should be focusing on protecting the most vulnerable and encouraging those least at risk to start getting back to normality in a sensible manner.
Many of the populations mental and physical health is deteriorating. Business’s, especially those is the leisure sector, are receiving no assistance and no indication of when they will be allowed to get back to work. Small business’s are being persecuted and many will be forced into liquidation.
Recent studies indicate that the majority of transmission occurred inside, yet supermarkets are literally a free for all. Outside spaces and activities should be opened upto to small groups.
Those you wish/need to continue to isolate can and should, those who wish to start back at hobbies/businesses
Should be allowed too.
Self catering properties should be allowed to be utilised in a sensible manner.
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Posted by EGJ May 11, 2020 at 13:30
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Posted by rptcal May 11, 2020 at 18:43
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Posted by geforse1 May 11, 2020 at 19:03
The Government needs to start presenting the risk from Covid in a more balanced manner and compare it to other health risks eg cancer, heart disease, etc and other non-Covid risks from everyday life. People need to start thinking for themselves and make their own decisions based upon their individual risk tolerance. The Government has created a massive atmosphere of fear, particularly for the uninformed. We are democratic society that is now being led by an authoritarian Government that lacks transparency of its decisions.
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Posted by cadatta May 11, 2020 at 21:54
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