Open the country tomorrow

The government must stop looking at cases as an accurate measure of this disease. It is too easily manipulated and is a misleading statistic.

Please start looking at DEATHS from Covid and HOSPITALISATIONS from Covid. These statistics MUST occur if there are cases. Looking at this data we peaked April 8th for deaths, which means cases peaked the week we introduced hand washing was the peak of cases!

We have sufficient NHS capacity and deaths are going down massively (by date of death).

Meanwhile this lockdown is delaying cancer treatments, destroying education and annihilating the economy.

If the government want to maintain any modicum of a functioning economy we must open with no restrictions this week. People are not stupid and can judge risks for themselves.

This virus has been spreading since December according to French scientists and has now peaked while we have over extrapolated bad data and this has led to mass panic. The initial shutdown may have been justified, any further is criminal.

Why the contribution is important

Save the economy, save education, save lives, save livelihoods.

by Dc123 on May 05, 2020 at 01:05PM

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  • Posted by sy278 May 05, 2020 at 14:58

    Complete nonsense, there are loads of people who carry the virus and have zero symptoms and as such have not been hospitalised.

    Likewise there are even more people who have it and the symptoms and are not hospitalised.

    The only way to get a true picture is to test every single person with live tests and antibody tests to see who has it and who has had it.

  • Posted by Dc123 May 05, 2020 at 15:39

    Hi there, in theory yes however we do not have the time nor capacity to accurately test everyone before calamitous damage is done.

    We also do not need to test necessarily as large swathes are asymptomatic and test-trace-isolate rely on people being symptomatic then tracing from there. Asymptomatic cases make this virus largely impossible to trace via just testing which is why we need down stream factors of HOSPITALISATIONS and DEATHS from covid.

    Please remember if there were significant cases now we would see that feeding through to ICU and Mortality figures - we are not. The virus peaked on deaths April 8th and all our lockdown was largely pointless.

    Looking at deaths by day we are on the downslope of the epidemic curve. It is criminal to continue the lockdown in search of evidence when we have deaths and hospitalisation figures. Lives and livelihoods are destroyed by this lockdown. It is not ceteris paribus.

  • Posted by kc7373m May 05, 2020 at 15:52

    Completely agree. People aren’t taking into account the massive health implications of lockdown

  • Posted by BiggGrumperz May 05, 2020 at 16:56

    'People are not stupid and can judge risks for themselves.' Phew, really? I need to go and live where you live! I just saw 10 workmen in a group all having a coffee, traffic has doubled here in the last week, and youngsters are now mucking around in groups again. The NHS will never get back to' normal' (remember that, waiting ages for appts., ops., etc) if we Covid Round 2

  • Posted by sczettner May 05, 2020 at 18:10

    Because the data is heavily manipulated, the trust in the government is going to evaporate very quickly.

    I saw a document about ordering doctors to put COVID-19 to the death certificate without testing as the probable cause of death! Which if does not make your blood boil, you are a sheep.

    And decision-makers are using this data to keep us out of business.

  • Posted by Dc123 May 05, 2020 at 19:00

    Re: BiggGrumperz

    Thank you for the response. With regards to uptake of activities by the populace, I see that as natural. Humans are a social animal and this lockdown has been hard for us all. The NHS is not perfect and surely some good lessons can be learnt from this.

    However at this time I am more interested in ending the hugely detrimental lockdown and this is for future discussion.

  • Posted by Dc123 May 05, 2020 at 19:03

    Re: sczettner

    Trust in data is key I agree. The ONS report ~85% of “died with covid deaths” actually “died from covid”. It is also important we start looking at the data like adults to avoid the rise of conspiratorial ideas.

    The data was murky at first so it is understandable for the initial lockdown, however we now have around 8 weeks of good data and this lockdown is NOT justified. Government must end lockdown this week.

  • Posted by wel97 May 05, 2020 at 23:25

    Unlike the health implications of the lockdown, the effects on the economy are well known. Continuing the lockdown in its current incarnation will have a demonstrable effect on the quality of life of our fair nation for years to come.

  • Posted by Scotland_is_flatlining May 07, 2020 at 11:13

    Stop stalling and immediately prioritise:

    1) 10-fold increase in daily testing capacity (for antigen and active infection), and
    2) immediate implementation of test track and trace.

    in order to:

    1) head off an unacceptable increase in the "R" number and
    2) prepare for a second wave
    3) to address the possibility that a vaccine will not be developped within the next 18 months.

  • Posted by Dc123 May 07, 2020 at 21:49

    Re: Scotland_is_flatlining

    Thank you for your comment. A vaccine is never coming most likely so we should stop living in a fantasy world and banking on it. The history of previous coronaviruses and vaccines is not a fruitful one.

    With regards to testing it doesn’t actually matter that much NOR does track and trace. Asymptomatic cases make this task impossible - some papers say up to 75% asymptomatic. Measuring cases is like measuring possession in a football game, potentially useful but doesn’t actually win you the game.

    This is why data which cannot be manipulated must be used - DEATHS and HOSPITALISATIONS - and from this we are past the peak (with lockdown having little to negative effect).

    We must open up.

  • Posted by Cathol May 11, 2020 at 18:19

    Death stats- do not differentiate between deaths explicitly caused by covid 19 or just that the virus was present.

    Hospital deaths-covid 19 present on admission or contracted afterwards.

     
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