Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest get back to work whilst following social distancing
It's clear that there is no definite link between any nation's lockdown methodology and the results of that lockdown.
The country must get back to work to fund the nhs and other vital services etc as well as to avoid a catastrophic depression which will cost many lives.
Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest get back to life, whilst following sensible social distancing measures.
The country must get back to work to fund the nhs and other vital services etc as well as to avoid a catastrophic depression which will cost many lives.
Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest get back to life, whilst following sensible social distancing measures.
Why the contribution is important
It would save lives in the medium to long term whilst not losing lives in the short term. If one is not in a vulnerable group and the vulnerable are isolated properly, there will be little risk, but a huge amount to gain.
by geraldwiley on May 05, 2020 at 04:27PM
Posted by JackWhyte49 May 05, 2020 at 16:33
The lockdown has been successful in driving down the infection rate and should only be lifted gradually when we are sure that new cases are minimal and can be traced and isolated.
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Posted by lindyloo May 05, 2020 at 16:34
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Posted by Davemac1960 May 05, 2020 at 16:35
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Posted by Scotswede May 05, 2020 at 16:48
The 'vulnerable' cannot be isolated forever, or even for a long time, and there will be extremely significant physical and mental health implications for this group of people (for example, lack of decent exercise, fresh air, families with children/ loved ones with severe behavioural issues being restricted to their homes.)
Also many of the vulnerable may have underlying health issues - but are actually generally very well. They may miss out on valuable education, lose employment and will also likely be affected by lack of social engagement. These people will very likely be disadvantaged long term by an arbitrary 'vulnerable vs healthy citizen' policy.
Better outcomes for all, including our vulnerable members of society, benefits our economy in the long run.
A sensible slow and steady restart to the economy, with support services prioritised to the most vulnerable to ensure they remain an important and included part of our society is the approach needed. It will take us smoothly (as smooth as possible) out of lockdown, reduce chances of multiple lockdowns in the future and both save and enhance the quality of lives in the longer term.
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Posted by Tonyretals May 05, 2020 at 16:49
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Posted by ljk84 May 05, 2020 at 16:53
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Posted by Singingbike May 05, 2020 at 16:54
I haven't broken the rules at all but I can't help feeling that the risks associated with my catching the virus are no greater than the risks of my physical and mental decline if I cannot ever leave my house for the foreseeable future.
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Posted by mwsutherland May 05, 2020 at 16:59
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Posted by Rosie May 05, 2020 at 17:15
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Posted by TheRaven May 05, 2020 at 17:17
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Posted by Bella2 May 05, 2020 at 17:30
It is important to start looking to get people back to work - everyone at home having lost their job or being furloughed (with potential to lose that work) - each one of those numbers represents a family that will be under enormous stress to pay the bills and put food on the table.
We can't underestimate the health impacts that unemployment has on people, both physically and on their mental health.
Insist that companies take non-contact thermo readings of their staff on arrival at work - and anything untoward, action can be taken.
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Posted by Islander May 05, 2020 at 18:02
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Posted by Ruth May 05, 2020 at 18:15
Our most vulnerable citizens are in this along with the rest of us. If we are suffering mental health problems through this, they certainly are.
We can't just build a wall round them and leave them to live or die, we will be patient for a while longer.
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Posted by sl806e May 05, 2020 at 19:49
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Posted by LAM May 05, 2020 at 22:05
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Posted by cresswell May 06, 2020 at 12:43
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Posted by John1911 May 06, 2020 at 20:38
We must get people back to work soon, so that the country can *attempt* to generate the wealth we need as a nation to pay for our future NHS and every other public service we depend upon.
I emphasized the word attempt, because I genuinely feel it's already too late, and those countries that didn't enter a lockdown, or those leaving theirs before us will have an economic advantage over us that makes our nation's economic recovery that bit harder. I'm not optimistic about our future.
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Posted by ZoeK May 06, 2020 at 21:33
We must learn to live with it.
Who is anyone to say a person is vulnerable they should be able to decide this for themselves!
Social interaction between loved ones must be reinstated with immediate effect.
Mental health and domestic/child abuse is on the extreme rise.
As is violence in communities.
We must think what is best for us and our own.
NO ONE is in control of anothers life.
Our economy must rebuild!
We can NOT be kept as virtual prisoners no more.
Restore our freedom!
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Posted by fja1980 May 06, 2020 at 23:06
Let those at minimal risk as confirmed by statistics worldwide get the economy up and running again, and yes I am fully aware the lockdown has resulted in fewer deaths but even if you increase my risk tenfold it still holds true that statistically the under 45 age group are at minimal risk overall. If we add in the number of unknown positive cases it would dilute this risk even further.
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Posted by mags14 May 07, 2020 at 10:10
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Posted by snapier May 07, 2020 at 11:43
Also consider the areas with the highest rate of occurrences eg Inverclyde and put in place more assistance and shielding for these areas.
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Posted by VikingL May 07, 2020 at 20:02
If this type of vulnerable person is evicted due to non payment of rent or mortgage, they will be far more vulnerable when both they and their family are out on the street and/or suffering mental anguish.
Yes, I do believe we should come out of this very gradually but companies, corporations, authorities and public bodies need to take steps to 'shield' their workforces - then we can help them and Scotland get back on her feet.
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Posted by NH May 07, 2020 at 20:46
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Posted by MikeJohnston May 08, 2020 at 08:54
"We must not alienate the vulnerable. They have done nothing wrong. They are the ones who will actually do everything they can to protect themselves. It’s the covidiots we need to worry about. A phased return, to include the vulnerable with adequate support, is the most sensible way forward."
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Posted by Kim May 08, 2020 at 11:29
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Posted by FM79 May 09, 2020 at 12:58
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Posted by lynr May 10, 2020 at 11:54
Offer the money and services to shield any vulnerable person who wants it. But as adults vulnerable people should make that choice and not be forced into seclusion.
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Posted by Invicta May 10, 2020 at 20:28
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Posted by HelloScotland May 11, 2020 at 09:52
Rules will be relaxed as cases drop and the NHS is equipped to deal with volumes, however it is likely a rushed plan to exit lockdown will see cases soar.
Any plan to resume normal life will likely see those shielding continuing to do so for a period longer, but what happens when those that are resuming normal life become complacent? Are the shielding group to remain indoors until a cure is developed?
Instead, a set of progressive steps are necessary with adequate controls in place around testing, tracking and treatment.
Other ideas in this forum are very good and designating certain days/times for at risk groups to exercise for instance may be something we all need to adapt to, at least for a while.
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Posted by highlandgal May 11, 2020 at 10:43
rather than this indefinite 'lockdown' . Other countries have shown sensible individual precautionary behaviour is just as effective.
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Posted by Portypotter May 11, 2020 at 11:23
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Posted by Zaffarella May 11, 2020 at 15:35
Now that lockdown has gained the time to put capacity in place the “stay safe” narrative will need to change to reflect;
Fatal for less than 1%
Vast majority (over 80%) asymptomatic or mild; relatively few have required hospitalisation.
Current strain is fairly narrow in its target.
People die; in Scotland 4,700 people, on average, each month every year (average 2001-2019 per NRS). There were 1,559 Covid deaths in Scotland as at 2 May. Many of those dying with Covid 19 on the death certificate (but not necessarily a contributory factor) would have died in any event this year.
May never be vaccine; it would wrong and very costly to society at large to wait for one – accordingly we must manage this.
Covid 19 now endemic and should be dealt with like any other perennial virus.
Going forward Covid 19 can be managed by creating capacity (Infectious diseases hospitals?). Unfortunately, those in care homes are amongst the most susceptible to the virus, some form of gateway regime or system for entrance to care homes will be required.
Fitness (substantially issues caused by obesity) makes a massive difference to outcome; this is an opportunity to reinforce that being fit will save lives and the NHS
I am glad to see that the Swedish approach has now been commended by the WHO as an exemplar for moving forward. Although it has controls, it has allowed more social interaction. This approach will certainly have reduced any “future wave”. As at 11 May, the UK (with a population 6.56 times that of Sweden) has had 31,855 deaths. Sweden has recorded 3,225 deaths. That is 66.4% of the UK total. The Swedish approach has to be considered, as it is less damaging to society and the economy at large.
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Posted by Jem May 11, 2020 at 17:25
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